Thanks guys, i got it resolved. Justin helped me out earlier and advised i try to program the VIN manualy via the bidi controls and it worked. RR is just a little different getting used to is all i suppose. I was not loading a valid VIN into the OS when i was full flashing it so it seems. I have another question and I hope you dont get sick of them too soon . I will start another thread for that question as it does not relate to this topic. Thanks again for the help TA, PAUL, and Justin.