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    Could someone please help me with some tips from start to finish on the LM1? I know there are differences in the Lm1 and Lc1 but the only answer I ever get is it should be simular. PM me some instructions or post here, either way.

    I have to get a serial to usp or a serial to serial connecter, which is best? I am not able to hook my lm1 to my laptop with out it and not sure what the process is to hook to efi but I have had my lm1 for several months with out being able to do auto ve.
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    I've been using an LM1 with a V1 cable, so I never got into the voltage set-up adjustments that appear to necessary with V2. Those considerations aside, the biggest issue I had to deal with was synchronizing the settings between the LM1 and EFILive. Apparently, there are voltage differences from one LM1 to another, so whenever I install an EFILive update, I have to go into the SAE_Generic file (in the Configuration folder) and change the LM-1 parameter as follows.

    # Innovate LM-1 WBO2
    # ========================
    *CLC-00-928
    V 0.0 5.0 .1 "{EXT.AD1}"
    AFR 10.0 20.0 .1 "({EXT.AD1}*1.9936)+9.9832"
    *CLC-00-929
    factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_LM11.AFR}/{GM.AFR}"
    *CLC-00-930
    V 0.0 5.0 .1 "{EXT.AD2}"
    AFR 10.0 20.0 .1 "({EXT.AD1}*1.9936)+9.9832"
    *CLC-00-931
    factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_LM12.AFR}/{GM.AFR}"

    You also have to go into the Innovate software and set-up the LM-1 so the voltages are compatible. If you're using a V2, I think your best bet is to use serial input. There's a serial out port on the LM-1 and a serial in connection on the V2. You need a null modem gender bender to connect the two cables, but everything plugs in. Hope this helps.
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    Ain't Skeered,

    That means you'll have to run the V2 BBL beta firmware... if you do do do that [I'm an engineer], you have to read the Readme_First.pdf file in the BBL beta zip package (read it several times until it make sense... then your BBL update will go good).

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    Ok why would i need to do bbl since the lm1 has been being used since before bbl was available? just wondering because that adds more stress to me to figure that out all at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfe1 View Post
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    If you're using a V2, I think your best bet is to use serial input. There's a serial out port on the LM-1 and a serial in connection on the V2. You need a null modem gender bender to connect the two cables, but everything plugs in. Hope this helps.
    If you do that (what dfe1 said) you have to run the V2 BBL beta code because that introduces wideband serial input.

    Otherwise you have to do analog wideband...

    You probably want to try analog wideband input and see how it goes.

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    ok , got you . I may try the bbl , atleast read about it and see if I can figure it out.
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    Yeah, have a read thru the .pdf's that come in the zip file, and if it seems too much work just stick with analog wideband for now...

    If you need any help with it, dfe1 and me will point you the right way [is that ok with you dfe1 since you got experience on LM-1's...?]

    It's not that hard.

    You should probably program your LM-1 for 0V=10AFR and 5V=20AFR, and then the AFR calc pid will be ({EXT.AD1}*2.00)+10.00


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    Joecar- that's fine with me. It's been a while, so I'll have to verify a few things, but I believe that info in the last line of your post above is correct. Analog wide band was pretty much a no-brainer once the voltage values were matched between the LM-1 and V1. Since I never got into the voltage deal with the V2, I can't comment-- can you, Joe? I don't think it's that big a deal, and I think that's the only area that may cause Aint Skeered to go looking for more anti-stress pills.

    Aint Skeered-- Joe and the other regulars on this forum are unbelievably knowledgeable and helpful. Don't get yourself too stressed-- there is plenty of help available from the EFILive community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfe1 View Post
    ...
    # Innovate LM-1 WBO2
    # ========================
    *CLC-00-928
    V 0.0 5.0 .1 "{EXT.AD1}"
    AFR 10.0 20.0 .1 "({EXT.AD1}*1.9936)+9.9832"
    *CLC-00-929
    factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_LM11.AFR}/{GM.AFR}"
    *CLC-00-930
    V 0.0 5.0 .1 "{EXT.AD2}"
    AFR 10.0 20.0 .1 "({EXT.AD1}*1.9936)+9.9832"
    *CLC-00-931
    factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_LM12.AFR}/{GM.AFR}"
    ...
    dfe1 (Dan, right...? my brains are too full of junk...),

    I can't read/write English but I can spot a numerical typo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfe1 View Post
    Analog wide band was pretty much a no-brainer once the voltage values were matched between the LM-1 and V1. Since I never got into the voltage deal with the V2, I can't comment-- can you, Joe? I don't think it's that big a deal, and I think Aint Skeered is getting himself excessively stressed without reason.

    Aint Skeered-- Joe and the other regulars on this forum are unbelievably knowledgeable and helpful. Don't get yourself too stressed-- there is plenty of help available from the EFILive community.
    Yes, V2 has a calibration mode where you connect 1 and 2 AA batteries to calibrate the analog inputs...

    Ain't Skeered, just pm when you're ready to do it... you will need a DMM/voltmeter (a cheap one will do).

    I don't know what color the LM-1 wires or how you're supposed to connect it all up, but what you need is the analog signal and signal return to be connected to all 4 AD ports of V2 (all 4 can be calibrated at once).

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