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    Default Locked out timing question for boost setup question??

    On my last fuel injected small block I had the timing set at 35 degrees across the board. I had good results.

    My question is, has anyone tried this with a boost motor? I would hate to set timing at only 20 degrees across the board, as it would really hurt power out of boost. Any thoughts on this. The only reason I am asking, Is I was trying to find an easy way out of my problem. That is, what chart controls the timing. If I remember right, I found 4, or 3, tables that I can adjust the timing. I modified the hihg octane table, but I am still recording higher timing #'s then I commanded. Which charts should I be modifying??

    Any ideas?
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    18 is the max i would start out with.
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    Do you have that chart in english??? J/K.

    I assume I should try entering that into my timing chart? What one?
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    You wont be able to copy and paste it. He may have to comma delimit that in order for you to paste it into the high octane table
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    Could he send it on an excel spreadsheet and then I could copy and paste? Would that work. No big deal really, I can just manualy enter the numbers into each row all across. Thanks.
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    Default Re: Locked out timing question for boost setup question??

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrorocket
    On my last fuel injected small block I had the timing set at 35 degrees across the board. I had good results.

    My question is, has anyone tried this with a boost motor? I would hate to set timing at only 20 degrees across the board, as it would really hurt power out of boost. Any thoughts on this. The only reason I am asking, Is I was trying to find an easy way out of my problem. That is, what chart controls the timing. If I remember right, I found 4, or 3, tables that I can adjust the timing. I modified the hihg octane table, but I am still recording higher timing #'s then I commanded. Which charts should I be modifying??

    Any ideas?
    Ahh, 35 timing with the sort of boost you will be running.....NO,NO.
    I would think 20deg is about the absolute most you will get away with.

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    The reason you don't run the same timing table as a NA motor is that under boost the flame front travels faster thus negating the need for lots of advance. You're not loosing anything - just giving the engine what it wants.
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    Default Re: Locked out timing question for boost setup question??

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrorocket
    35 degrees across the board.
    Recipe for a melt down.
    Run that timing and I'm sure your local metal recycler's will take the scrap alloy at a good price.

    As SS2win has said, 'just giving the engine what it wants'.


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