Marcin:

First off, there is no absolutely no doubt that you have mathematical and engineering insights and gifts that far exceed the norm.

But, as with many highly gifted people, one can fall into a trap of rigidness in their values and easily misinterpret someones else views.

You need to be a little less rigid.

The point of any forum is to exchange views. Views can be based on facts, and yes sometimes opinions.

The Roadrunner does allow functionality and speed. Thats a fact. As a Meteorologist I realize I could write pages explaining how a cloud forms, but I think most people want to hear the condensed version.

While your statement that an incorrect process can just be done more rapidly, but so will a correct process be done very efficiently.

Concerning Strims, you are correct. There are many variables. My point is that environmental changes will affect Strims, and undoubtedly effect VE. That was the original posters (Dale's) concern. I wasn't excluding the many other contributing factors.

Would never dismiss the scientific approach. Thats what I do. I forecast the weather which arguably has far more variables than EFIlive utilizes. I have just learned you need to bring knowledge down to an understandable form.

Marcin, better to teach someone than overwhelm with intricate formulas and mounds of paperwork.

Concerning the Roadrunner and VE. Respectfully, you need to change your attitude. My reference to the Roadrunner and VE computation was using the published EFILive tutorial method. What is wrong with faster? My reference to the Strim method of VE smoothing was simply to point out another persons method that had success. That person seems to be a highly respected tuner, and his explanations make more sense to me and obviously to many others.

Marcin, I have not abandoned science. You are probably a genius, but could you be a little less intolerant of others? Your conclusions are too stubborn and absolute. You are mistakenly jumping to conclusions that are not really in the spirit of friendly information sharing.

Remember, this is a forum.

On a side-note I think the comment about SSpdDmon and a 'crack pipe' is a little out of line. I really respect you are passionate about this topic, but in all frankness if you could be more succinct in your explanations more people would understand you.

I am sure the find people who developed EFILive understand that insulting people or making their software to hard for an ordinary user to use, got it.

Marcin, we are all just trying to tune. I love science too. But, maybe this board is not the place to show off, but to help us all learn.

Thank you for letting me express my view.

..WeathermanShawn..