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    Len, my Idle theories are that on a MAF-Enabled vehicle, it is still primarily the MAF that affects Idle Trims such as LTFT's. You see the VE Table's influence primarily on cold-open loop start-up.

    It gets tricky manipulating the MAF Frequency for Idle, because sometimes the same airflow is present at 0% TPS or low load. So just do the best you can.

    The tight CALC.VET filter that has Spark in it, is to try to filter out DFCO transitions. Lately, I have just been trying to suggest Tuners disable DFCO as I have seen better results that way. You can still use the other tight parameters and just drop spark.

    Thanks for all your logs. You have helped show that 100% WOT is the best way to dial in PE Mode..like you said not as easy to do if you live in an urban area...
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    I followed the CALC.VET pdf, I set up everything and ran a log, applied filters, but when I copy the values fromt the CALC.VET map, the values are low (1.3-2.5) and my VE values are high, 70's and 80's. so when I copy and paste it makes my VE talbe all screwed up, am I pasting wrong? I did a copy with labels and a paste with labels.

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    Sounds like your Units don't match..

    NOTE:
    for map Data, use the CALC.VET pid units that match your B0101 table, i.e. either % or g*K/kPa.

    To display units on a map: go to map properties, on each of the
    Data, Row, Col tabs, checkmark Show Units.
    2002 Black Camaro Z-28 M6 Hardtop 11.0:1CR 425HP/410TQ SAE (400TQ@3500RPM)
    200cc Heads, 228/232 110+2 Cam, 1 3/4" LT's w/catts, GMMG, Koni Shocks, Hotchkis Springs, 35/21 Sways, 17" ZR1's, 3.90 Gears Roadrunner PCM LM-2 Serial Wideband
    EFILive Closed-Loop MAF/SD Hybrid Tune..


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    Quote Originally Posted by s10mods View Post
    I followed the CALC.VET pdf, I set up everything and ran a log, applied filters, but when I copy the values fromt the CALC.VET map, the values are low (1.3-2.5) and my VE values are high, 70's and 80's. so when I copy and paste it makes my VE talbe all screwed up, am I pasting wrong? I did a copy with labels and a paste with labels.
    Do what Shawn said.

    Post screenshots of your VET map and your VE table.

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    Here are the screenshots. It looks like they match. I also attached my tune and log file.
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    Looks like the VE table in your tune is in percent (%) and your CALC VET table is in gK/kPa ... like apples and oranges ... can only compare (update) them if they are in the same units.


    Regards,
    Taz

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    Can I just change the units in my tune?

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    I see where I messed up now. I wasnt looking at the Units, I was looking at kpa and thought they matched. I changed my units in the tune tool.
    Thank you for your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by s10mods View Post
    Can I just change the units in my tune?
    Yes, go Edit->Properties and look at the VE units, select g*K/kPa; then restart the tunetool.

    Quote Originally Posted by s10mods View Post
    I see where I messed up now. I wasnt looking at the Units, I was looking at kpa and thought they matched. I changed my units in the tune tool.
    Thank you for your help
    Oh, you did it, cool

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    Can anyone tell me if this tuning method is suitable for my application.
    I have an e38 boosted and it retains the maf but pegs the maf at around 5500rpm
    I am running e85 and have an analogue wideband and a pid to suit

    thanks

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