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    Quote Originally Posted by 67SS509 View Post
    ..Guess what...it was crankshaft endplay...
    WOW. Didn't see that one coming! Congrats to you on your persistence.

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    Highlander wins the prize! Well done.
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    Good work.
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    It appears that Highlander did indeed...see posts #89 and #196... ...good job...

    This would have shown up on the oscilloscope waveform... as the crank walks away from the CKP sensor the reluctor produces a weak signal... the waveform would have shown either a decreasing amplitude or incorrectly shaped ripples... the trick is having a good signal waveform as a reference to compare against... and a scope with a high resolution display.

    The Snap-On scope display isn't quite high resolution... but maybe it did show us a few clues... see attached image (from scope display in post #86)... this is at low rpm (I calculate ~21 Hz = ~1260 rpm)... compare the waveform shapes with a known good waveform (square-tops, all same amplitude, 3rd image)... at higher rpm the amplitudes would have dropped further and the pulses would have become more mis-shapen.
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    The trick is knowing what to look for... and then it's easy...

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    man, had feeling that was going to be the end results. i guess running a motor on street ride is not as abusive as running it in a drag car. i wonder if that is a common failure due to high reving launches or is it just an assembly/tolerance issue from the start.
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    The converter for various reasons (ballooning, line pressure excessive, insufficient clearance, ...) it puts forward pressure on the crank bearing thrust surface causing it to wear prematurely... there are other causes.

    Here's but one article: http://www.artcarr.com/page/news/1.acpp

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    The converter for various reasons (ballooning, line pressure excessive, insufficient clearance, ...) it puts forward pressure on the crank bearing thrust surface causing it to wear prematurely... there are other causes.

    Here's but one article: http://www.artcarr.com/page/news/1.acpp
    thanks for the info. i wonder if a carburated/distributor type motor would have shown any signs, like the efi set-up did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetblast View Post
    thanks for the info. i wonder if a carburated/distributor type motor would have shown any signs, like the efi set-up did.
    No signs at all... except maybe bearing metal presence in the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    No signs at all... except maybe bearing metal presence in the oil.
    and falling oil pressure!
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