Here is the calc pid I am using;
*CLC-00-032
factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_AUT1.AFR}/{E38.AFRATIO_DMA}"
Obviously use the WB you are using. Then create a map that has all the required load cells and start logging.....
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Here is the calc pid I am using;
*CLC-00-032
factor 0.0 2.0 .1 "{CALC.AFR_AUT1.AFR}/{E38.AFRATIO_DMA}"
Obviously use the WB you are using. Then create a map that has all the required load cells and start logging.....
Thanks Mick & Redline - i got it to work.
Why are you worried?Quote:
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
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Originally Posted by foff667 http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images...s/viewpost.gif
I put together a demo showing just how easy it is to not only get up and running using our RTT system utilizing the stock pcm but also just how easy it is to use the system itself within VCM Suite Scanner.
You are the one on LS1Tech bashing the RoadRunner...Quote:
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
How's it going??Quote:
Originally Posted by oztracktuning
Howard
Wow this is awesome that you guys have come up with this virtual VE tables. Right now I am using the other tuning software (you know ;)) for my E67 ECM in my Ion with the 2.4 LE5 with VVT, now if you can figure out the cam phasing part I am sold and going to get EFI live. This will make tuning for boost a lot easier for people. Right now others are disabling the Dynamic Airflow and tuning solely off of the MAF, its working but it is not the right way to do it.
With regards to implementing the Cam Phasing part of the equation, it is a little tricky for many reasons as you could imagine.
During development we had the cam phase calculations factored in but on some applications (the Northstar in particular) the numbers produced VERY odd looking VE tables.
As an example on the Northstar the exhaust cam at 1400RPM could be anywhere between 24deg or 10deg depending on the airflow figures.
That is a bit hard to factor in to a calculation that expects one fixed figure, eg 24 deg or 10deg.
Just when you think there is an easy answer a 'what if' bites you!.
Only experimentation could prove this, but I think if the cam phase values were not touched everything would still be fine in final calculation.
Cheers,
Ross
Yeah I can only imagine the wrench that throws into things, all of the new technology is great but it makes it harder for tuning companies to crack it. I will keep an eye out on this topic and see what comes of it.
Thanks
Mike D.
I used the Virtual VE table yesterday to tune a VE GTS A6 with a 222 224 112 cam. It worked a treat. I had the pids setup for a BEN E38 and a MAP that displayed the BENs with the same axes as usual and it modded the Virtual VE table just like a regular Custom OS LS1 autotune. Its great stuff.
Because I'm an EFIlive user too.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Man, if you think thats a bash you're a bit touchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Just a FYI, I have a Moates APU. I respect the man greatly for his accomplishments.
I wasnt bashing anything, that was more a joke, snide comment, whatever you want to call it, but it wasnt a bash.
PS you cannot find one other comment from me, positive or otherwise concerning the roadrunner.
Not really touchy, but it just seemed a little hypocritical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
Honestly, you need to really look hard at the RoadRunner compared to the HPT RTT 'solution'. While the stuff from HPT does somewhat get the job done, it is like comparing a Cessna to an SR71. They aren't even remotely even in the same league as far as what their capabilities are. IMHO the only time where the RTT might be 'better' is on something like a Cadillac CTS-V where it is a total bitch to remove the PCM. Also if you leave the HPT RTT OS in your computer you have effectively locked out all other tuning software packages. If you are doing this for a customer they might leave mad if they find out they can't get in their own computer with whatever software they happen to be using if it isn't HPT.
I guess I am touchy from the aspect that I don't like people taking swipes, jokes, snide comments, or whatever you want to call it, behind someones back while asking them for help.
First off, its not behind anyones back. Its a public forum, there for everyone to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
As for the comparison between the two. I understand the differences. I dont need to be able to change every table in the PCM on the fly. I dont want to have to buy 3 different RRs to cover everything that comes in the door.
As for asking for help. I didnt ask for help, I asked about the status of a feature that is being released.
Both software companies have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm not here to debate either. I use both.
The custom OSs by HPT effectively lock out anything BUT HPT. I know that. It doesnt lock it to my interface. If another tuner licenses the pcm, they're in.
I never said RTT was BETTER, or vice versa. ALL I SAID WAS, WELL YOU READ IT. And I stand by that comment. I dont need a RR. Would a RR make things a little faster? Maybe, but I dont have to have one. Maybe someday I'll get one. I'm not opposed to owning one.
You took that comment as a bad mouth and its not. It doesnt mean I'm anti-RR, it means what it says. I dont NEED one.
I don't mind this discussion as long as it's kept civilized... ;)
Def not trying to be UNcivilized. Just feel like I was called out for no reason. Theres too much favortism in this biz. I use 'both' because of various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by joecar
I dont think a comment about me needing a RR has any bearing on my use or thoughts about EFIlive.
That's ok, so far it's civil, and that's fine with me.
If you're called out, you have the right to answer.
So far, everyone treats everyone respectfully, and all's well.
This thread is about the Virtual VE table in E38s :)
I just used it on two E38s one was an LS2 the other an Australian Ls2 with L92 heads. Both went well - one of them making 297rwkw with just a 220 220 114 XER cam and a decent exhaust. The Virtual VE table has the effect but it doesnt change the exact cells by the requested % so its best to always be comparing to the tune that was just logged when you make adjustments.
Virtual VE works well with VVT, as it is currently available in a L76 engine. I installed a new cam and tuning for it was fairly straight forward. I haven't started screwing with the VVT timing yet.. Thats next.
I haven't seen swings in the AFR based on the cam angle yet. But I've only logged about 10 minutes worth of data on this. So what is its impact on a single cam VVT engine as it relates to VE? Not much so far.
:muahaha: :notacrook:
Cam variation should not cause any 'major' issues because GM already set the coefficient up for you :)
Cheers,
Ross
I'm just amazed that in just 5 short years how things have advanced. When I bought LS1 edit not even all the tables were available and the ones that were didn't always work correctly.
Virtual VE is a huge advantage for tuning these ECM's.
:notacrook:
Glad the 'old timers' of tuning can appreciate what is really is.
Cheers,
Ross
Nice work EFI team. We have had several calls as of late about VVE, mostly from HPT users who need a better way to edit VE tables.
Just spelling the word "coefficient" makes me go cross-eyed, let alone actually tinkering with the data.
And yeah, what he said about how much this stuff has advanced in the last few years. Simply amazing.
:cheers:
When adding this to the calc_pids.txt file, do you have to enter anything in the *UNITS or *PRN sections? I assume this goes in the Slot definitions section. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redline Motorsports
The very first entry in the line (in this case "factor") must exist in the *Units section. In this case factor already exists in the *Units section so you don't need to add anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
Regards
Paul
You will need to add a PID in the *PRN section that references the CLC-00-032 slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
Regards
Paul
Having said all that, if you download the latest beta software (zip file) from here:
http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?t=8033
All the BEN factors and AFR PIDs (for LS1, E40 and E38/E67) are already set up.
Just extract the sae_generic.txt file from that zip file and copy it into the folder:
\Program Files\EFILive\V7\Configuration
or
\Program Files\EFILive\V7.5\Configuration
Regards
Paul
Thanks Paul. I'm running this version. Sometimes it's hard to tell what's there and what isn't. :doh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky