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Well F#$%!
Same thing I thought lol, I tried a 'mileage' tune in mine last year when diesel was 5.00 a gallon, since I already had EF!live for my LS1 car I figured why not try it on the LBZ. It didnt do anything really so I put it back to stock a week or so later.
So last week I was bored, reading around this site and noticed this thread. After seeing the last post I took my truck to a friend at a local dealer and had him check the CVN numbers on all the segments and one was wrong. Even though I flashed the stock tune back in a year ago and the truck has never been to the dealer or programmed since.
The 'Engine' segment (PN 12610878) CVN was wrong. I assume since EFIlive tune says its not used you cant even change anything in it so I have no idea why it changed. The 'engine' checksum on EFIlive from my original read and the one in the truck were different as well, I have no idea why or how. I flashed the original stock tune again and now all the checksums in EFIlive are back to the same as the original read. I am going to check it again on a tech 2 soon and see if all the CVNs match. I read/flashed it with one of the first releases of EFIlive for the LBZ so maybe thats how it got messed up, I had to re-save the .tun file before it would let me flash it in with the lastest EFIlive release.
No problem. Whenever you or someone else can check this it would be nice if it could be shared-no rush!
Went there this afternoon and did the GM procedure with the tech 2 and two CVNs didnt match. The 'engine' and 'CPU' segment were both different. Downloaded a couple stock tunes from dieselplace and then some others didnt match. I then did a full reflash with the original file I took from mine and the same 2 CVNs didnt match.
To sum it up, on my LBZ putting the stock tune back in will NOT pass all the CVN segment checks on a tech 2 as described in the bulletin on post 117.
Your results may vary of course and dont use this as absolute fact, maybe someone else will try it and verify it. I didnt want the newest OS flashed in so I just left it, I'm out of warranty soon on miles anyhow but I'm sure many arent..
Ok thanks for the heads up. I guess I should buy a new ECM from GM then.
Like I said dont take my word for it, since I read my stock OS with the earliest LBZ software maybe something got screwed up along the way. Its funny though the one segment that was always off with no matter what I loaded in was the 'engine' one and according to EFIlive that isnt even used.
I would wait until someone else with a tech 2 and LBZ tries this before buying a new ECM.
The one segment that was different was likely the one you changed for the mileage test proving that CVN counts are stored and can be recalled by GM. I think your test was perfect!
I dont think multiple counts are stored or retrieveable like an LMM, the CVN is just a CRC, all it takes is one bit of data to be off and the number doesnt match. There was no way to retrieve any previous flashes, even with the MDI, just the segments/CVN list with the tech 2. The procedure for the LBZ is to retrieve the calbration part numbers from TIS, print them out, take the tech 2 and printout to the truck and manually check each CVN against the PN.
Easiest thing to do would be if you have an older OS just pay to have the neswest OS flashed in and dont touch it after that and swap another PCM in to tune on. At least the LBZ guys can fix it with a GM reflash I assume, the LMM guys are screwed.
Has anyone found a way to get rid of the history in the LMM's yet?! Im just curious because it is a computer.. and any computer can be figured out and beat.
Yes, it is known and No you will not see it added to EFI-Live.
The ECM is the easy part just buy a new $200 one and program that one, but your regen counter will be off. Now supposedly the TCM tracks a max torque input so your beat again. Everybody is just going to have to get over the fact that your warranty is gone if you tinker with it. This sucks that some have abused the system so badly that if something non tuning related is broke and you want it fixed your screwed. I guess just buy a ECM and TCM and be honest don't ruin motor's, trannies turbo's, and expect warranty
Well My dealer is pretty friendly about it, they told me that they will fix anything that would OBVIOUSLY not be caused by a tune.. IE if my AC breaks or power steering something of that nature. Although if I have a powertrain issue it may be up for debate. I guess it'll just be my excuse to upgrade to better components. I just dont feel its very fair that they can void my warrenty because I deleted the DPF. I only run stock tuning with the DPF programmed out, and there are no emissions laws here..
Or just buy a new flashed PCM and keep tuning the one you got in until it needs to go in for warranty.:grin:
Either way, I think the egr delete pipe and boost tube I'm putting in may void my warranty anyhow!! The C&C's pistons definetly will when I build the engine!!:grin:
Old thread.Sorry,edited!!
GM needs to average the warranty costs per vehicle and allow buyers to OPT out of the Warranty.