EFILive Version 8 (Black Box Logging) is now available

The EFILive version 8 software, supporting Black Box logging for FlashScan and AutoCal is now available.

Download here:
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?opt...=48&Itemid=133
Please download and install BOTH V7.5 and V8.1

There is a fault with the V2.06.08 firmware, please read the "Known Issues" here:
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?opt...tes&Itemid=134

The version 8 software contains three major new features:
1. Black Box Logging configuration software.
2. FlashScan/AutoCal Settings editor.
3. FlashScan/AutoCal firmware version V2.06.07

There are only two functioning modules in the EFILive_ScanAndTune.exe program:
1. F3: Black Box Logging.
2. F6: Device Settings.
The other options have not been released yet.

The EFILive V8 Errors.txt file has been replaced with a pdf document: EFILive Error Codes.pdf with extra error descriptions and actions to be taken.

Regards
Paul

While not strictly necessary, if you uninstall your existing V8 install and delete the two folders below before installing the new V8 software, then your new V8 install will be cleaner and there will be no "old" files hanging around to confuse you later...

On XP:
\Program Files\EFILive\V8
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\EFILive\V8

On Vista (you may need to set "show hidden files" to see ProgramData)
\Program Files\EFILive\V8
\ProgramData\EFILive\V8

Regards
Paul

The Channel allocation looks nice. :cucumber:

Still have the problem with TEMP2 not displaying. Still need to go into the Options txt and add -, for controller.

Didn't see the change from kpa to Mpa for FRP_C.

When viewing F/S or AC in Custom. The PIDs set up as custom, the information is correct. I'm finding the logged data is in metric for these PIDs.

MAP2, No default and units in pka.
BOOST2_DMA, Default was metric, changed to Imperial.
DESTCBOST, No default and units in pka.

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Originally Posted by Biodiesel66

Still have the problem with TEMP2 not displaying. Still need to go into the Options txt and add -, for controller.

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Works ok here, are you sure you're using build 52?

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Originally Posted by Biodiesel66

Didn't see the change from kpa to Mpa for FRP_C.

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My bad, don't know how that change got left out of build 52.

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Originally Posted by Biodiesel66

When viewing F/S or AC in Custom. The PIDs set up as custom, the information is correct. I'm finding the logged data is in metric for these PIDs.

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The logged data is not stored in any units. It is displayed in the Scan Tool as whatever units you have set up in the charts and/or [Data F9] tab page.

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Originally Posted by Biodiesel66

MAP2, No default and units in pka.
BOOST2_DMA, Default was metric, changed to Imperial.
DESTCBOST, No default and units in pka.

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Not sure what you mean by listing those PIDs? Can you elaborate please?

Regards
Paul

Paul,

Couldn't get the TEMP1 or TEMP2 to work with build 51 or 52. When using EFI S&T, adding TEMP2 External Temperature to the Selected PID list, changing the properties to custom. Default ID Properties: Node: is empty!
Custom ID Properties: Quick set is empty, should have °F or °K ? Had to change the Factor, Offset, and Units. Click OK. Saved the PID and programed to F/S with S&T. The selected PID will not view or record. If I go and Edit the Options txt file and change ( ) to (-,) for the controller and save the file. View it in EFI S&T for that selected PID and check the properties the Node: has - and is not empty. Program the changed Options txt to F/S. It will view in °F and play back in °F. WHY does it work this way and not the other way?

The 3 PIDs should have logged in IMPERIAL from the Options txt setting.
The PIDs that are listed are from F8 in the log and from the customized PID list that can be viewed in Imperial from F/S or A/C. The log has them as metric. F/S can't change 2 of the PIDs to IMPERIAL because the UNITS are set by default to metric. Its just like FRP_C. F/S has the UNITS set to PSI, Default Metric or Imperial. The recorded log will only play back in PSI never metric. Until it's changed in F/S.

When I program the settings to my FS unit, i get a pop up on the PC that says

Error: $010A: Received data message contained unknown command action.

And in the FS unit the settings are all out of whack.

After this recent update also I have been unable to BBL saying that the PMM is not valid with this firmware???

I have firmware 2.06.07 apr 08/09

Paul,

Nevermind.. I did an update to the firmware, didn't realize it had the SAME version but a different date and i know now why it was.

Been here for a while and sometimes get a little bit.... THIS DOESN't WORK let me post.. jeje..

Thanks :)

FYI for those using W7 beta or RC1 you need to run V8 setup under compatibility mode for Vista SP1/SP2 or XP SP3 otherwise it will terminate program setup saying it is incompatible with Win NT/x. Works perfectly so far.

Yap Yap... Been using efilive with W7 since 7000 and the only issue i had was minor that the arrow keys seemed to be "stuck" but after a reinstall... everything flawless!

Scan&Tune last night came up with "Cannot access clipboard, Access denied" or words to that effect. It came back almost as fast as I could click ok. If I was quick enough I could get in and click the action I needed.
Seemed ok today.
Build 52 and FW 0705
I exited and went back in same error.

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Originally Posted by Highlander

Yap Yap... Been using efilive with W7 since 7000 and the only issue i had was minor that the arrow keys seemed to be "stuck" but after a reinstall... everything flawless!

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Same here, just thought Id post it so anyone can make it work the first time. Used it first on b7000 too now onto b7100, didnt bother to make V8 beta work on W7 as I was using Vista as my test OS to keep a backup copy of V8 guaranteed to work.

Is this going to replace V7.5 completely soon ?

Hello,

I'm trying to set up my pids with the new software and I get this....see attached.

I must be missing something somewhere.

Can anyone point me in the right direction, everything else seems fine.

Thanks,

Brad

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Originally Posted by bmax

Hello,

I'm trying to set up my pids with the new software and I get this....see attached.

I must be missing something somewhere.

Can anyone point me in the right direction, everything else seems fine.

Thanks,

Brad

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It means that the PCM you are using does not support that particular PID.

In the short term, you need to remove the PID from the list of selected PIDs in the BBL setup software and re-program the FlashScan with the new PID selection.

In the long term... it is a DMA PID which is supported/unsupported depending on the operating system number of the PCM. It may be that we have not added support for that PID for the particular operating system of your PCM.
Can you send the OS number of your PCM? Use the FlashScan device, menu option: F2->F2->F1 to get the operating system number.

Regards
Paul

So some of the PIDs are not supported for BBL right now?

In the Flashscan Menu Items section, I can only see LS1, LS2, LB7 and LMM options (all "sample"). I am looking for the LBZ,AL6 PID list. How do I get this, or is this not possible on this release?

Paul has set BBL up now to be 100% user defined, as in you need to open up S&T then add the proper vehicle (in your case LBZ and AL6). Once you have that setup, click on it then add PIDs to the lower left pane!

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Originally Posted by dinorex44

In the Flashscan Menu Items section, I can only see LS1, LS2, LB7 and LMM options (all "sample"). I am looking for the LBZ,AL6 PID list. How do I get this, or is this not possible on this release?

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In the blue section, right click an Unused row and select Properties. In that Properties screen you can select which controller you want to configure. You can delete/overwrite the sample ones if you want.

Each item that you set up in the blue section, corresponds to an item in FlashScan's/AutoCal's PID selection menu.

Remember to use the [Program] button to program the changes back into FlashScan/AuotCal.

Regards
Paul

dinorex, for example, look at post #210: showthread.php?p=94515#post94515

Paul, is there a way to set the non-custom precision...?

Pretty snazzy , good job .

When saving settings F6 stuff to the V2 unit I get a "Error: $010A Recieved data message contained unknown command action"
This was after setting serial IO

Did you go to the Windows task bar lower right and click V2 icon and update firmware ?
Got same error until I did that .

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Originally Posted by Chevy366

Is this going to replace V7.5 completely soon ?

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Yes it will replace V7 completely. The standalone read/flash option is due next, followed by the V8 Scan and Tune PC based software.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by joecar

Paul, is there a way to set the non-custom precision...?

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No. The idea was that if you wanted the default units with a custom precision you'd set up the custom PID with everything the same except the precision.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by ringram

When saving settings F6 stuff to the V2 unit I get a "Error: $010A Recieved data message contained unknown command action"
This was after setting serial IO

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When saving the settings to FlashScan, there needed to be some way to tell FlashScan that the settings had been changed and to re-read the Settings.dat file. I had to add a new command to the FlashScan firmware to do that. Older firmware won't recognize that command and will give you the error you see.

As Chevy366 said, upgrade the firmware to the latest V2.06.08 available in the latest V8 dowbnload on our downloads page.

Regards
Paul

Noticed that with new build that just plugging in V2 does not trigger recognition of device , you have to physically select device in FlashScan and AutoCal Device Settings (lower right corner of window AutoCal or FlashScan)to get task bar tray icon of V2 for firmware updates .

When setting up custom units and you click the clear button, it exits back to the main BBL window. Shouldnt it just clear the values and keep the custom units pane open? Does it regardless if there are values in the min/max fields or not.

Another question, any way to make it so when you put a PID in the Selected PIDs area in S&T BBL to have them disappear from Available PIDs? Right now when you add the same PID again it just moves where the PID was in the list, but I think having it disappear completely from the Available PIDs is a good idea.

Third round here, whew! When you add a new controller selection, go to add the PIDs you wish to scan with, save the Options.txt file to your PC, and then click Program it appears everything works properly. However if you are using a different controller that you have not copied the *.pmm file to V2 already it will NOT program the new *.pmm file that isnt on V2 without first closing and restarting S&T BBL. (ie I made a dummy LS1 99-08 PID selection and programmed it but the LS1 99-09 .pmm file was not copied over.) Doesnt matter if I select Program All PMM Files (slower) or not, doesnt copy the new .pmm's till the program is relaunched.

There is a fault with the V2.06.08 firmware, please read the "Known Issues" here:
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?opt...tes&Itemid=134

Regards
Paul

The auto update will not download Build 53,
I'm stuck on Build 52.

You can open EE and program it.

It tells me no newer updates are available.
My sig is current BTW.

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Originally Posted by mr.prick

The auto update will not download Build 53,
I'm stuck on Build 52.

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I have not made an auto update for build 53. Just download and install the latest full release.
Also take note of the firmware problem with V2.06.08 and make sure you download and install the V2.06.09 firmware.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22

When setting up custom units and you click the clear button, it exits back to the main BBL window. Shouldnt it just clear the values and keep the custom units pane open? Does it regardless if there are values in the min/max fields or not.

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That's a bug. Will be fixed.

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Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22

Another question, any way to make it so when you put a PID in the Selected PIDs area in S&T BBL to have them disappear from Available PIDs? Right now when you add the same PID again it just moves where the PID was in the list, but I think having it disappear completely from the Available PIDs is a good idea.

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Its probably a good idea, I'm not sure how much work it would be to add that feature. But I'll keep it in mind.

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Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22

Third round here, whew! When you add a new controller selection, go to add the PIDs you wish to scan with, save the Options.txt file to your PC, and then click Program it appears everything works properly. However if you are using a different controller that you have not copied the *.pmm file to V2 already it will NOT program the new *.pmm file that isnt on V2 without first closing and restarting S&T BBL. (ie I made a dummy LS1 99-08 PID selection and programmed it but the LS1 99-09 .pmm file was not copied over.) Doesnt matter if I select Program All PMM Files (slower) or not, doesnt copy the new .pmm's till the program is relaunched.

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I've seen similar issues and I am working on fixing them...

Thanks for the legwork.

Regards
Paul

One suggestion to idiot proof the software, checking both the "Program PID Selections Only" and "Program All PMM Files" at the same time, it only programs the PID selections...doh! To save people like me from myself, perhaps those could be radio buttons rather than check boxes.

I've done a little bit of testing over the last couple of days as we drive to QLD from Melbourne. I've seen a couple of funny things happen that may not be a real test, as I'm logging the T42 in a V6 Sportswagon.

1. If you connect the V2, then turn on the ignition, you get error chimes and alerts on the dash to say that ESP and ABS are disabled. This is very much like the early days with BBL and the E38. however, just to complicates things...
   
   • If you connect the V2 after the car is running, there are no errors and ESP and ABS are fine.
   • Laptop logging does not cause the errors either.
2. When completing a BBL session by pressing the <Cancel> button, the V2 indicates that the file is saved and then appears to hang. Previously it would drop back to the main menu but now it sits at the screen showing the file number. If I then press<Cancel> or <OK> the V2 saves a trace file and appears to hang at the trace file name just like the log file. Pressing <Cancel> or <OK> again returns to the main menu.
   
   I'm not sure if this was a diagnostic mode that was left in or not.

If you want me to upload a log and a trace, let me know.

Simon.

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Originally Posted by dinorex44

One suggestion to idiot proof the software, checking both the "Program PID Selections Only" and "Program All PMM Files" at the same time, it only programs the PID selections...doh! To save people like me from myself, perhaps those could be radio buttons rather than check boxes.

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+1
Also if you unplug the v2 when its starting to record it looks like the config filesystem gets corrupt. The error "no options.txt" is shown and you have to reformat and rewrite the pmm and options file to the unit again.
That is bad if you only have the v2 unit in the fireup lane :)
This has happened to me 2x

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Originally Posted by dinorex44

One suggestion to idiot proof the software, checking both the "Program PID Selections Only" and "Program All PMM Files" at the same time, it only programs the PID selections...doh! To save people like me from myself, perhaps those could be radio buttons rather than check boxes.

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Hmm, I see what you mean.
Paul

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Originally Posted by swingtan

If you connect the V2, then turn on the ignition, you get error chimes and alerts on the dash to say that ESP and ABS are disabled. This is very much like the early days with BBL and the E38. however, just to complicates things...

• If you connect the V2 after the car is running, there are no errors and ESP and ABS are fine.
• Laptop logging does not cause the errors either.

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I see that here sometimes as well. Still trying to figure out why.

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Originally Posted by swingtan

I'm not sure if this was a diagnostic mode that was left in or not.
When completing a BBL session by pressing the <Cancel> button, the V2 indicates that the file is saved and then appears to hang. Previously it would drop back to the main menu but now it sits at the screen showing the file number. If I then press<Cancel> or <OK> the V2 saves a trace file and appears to hang at the trace file name just like the log file. Pressing <Cancel> or <OK> again returns to the main menu.

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That sounds like the time limit for displaying alerts/errors is set too high. Check in "Edit Settings" that the times for Alerts and Errors are set to reasonable values.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by ringram

+1
Also if you unplug the v2 when its starting to record it looks like the config filesystem gets corrupt. The error "no options.txt" is shown and you have to reformat and rewrite the pmm and options file to the unit again.
That is bad if you only have the v2 unit in the fireup lane :)
This has happened to me 2x

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The file system can easily get corrupted, same as if you pulled power from a PC while it was writing to disk.
That is a real show stopper if you don't have immediate access to a PC to reformat the Config file system.

What I have been working on is a way to maintain a backup of the Config file system on an SD card. That way if the corruption happens, you can plug in the "Recovery SD Card" and get FlashScan to reformat the Config file system and restore the Options.txt, Settings.dat and *.pmm files.

Regards
Paul