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    Also now that I think more about it, if I remember correctly wasnt the suzuki engine used by chevy in the sprint?
    1997 S10, 06 trailblazer SS LS2 swap, 4L70E trans, 76mm turbo. Factory ZQ8 suspension. 3.08, G80 w/a zexel. With a 0411 swap.

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    Actually the motor came out of Suzuki Swift GSI or GSX, something like that!!! It is a 1.3 DOHC engine. I used a 24X reluctor wheel from a big block in a C60, GM put coil on plug on the 454's in C60's back in the late 90's, so I just used one of them and made a custom mount for it. It was around $25.00 or so from the dealer. Made a custom cam sensor and ran all the appropiate wiring to the PCM and it started and ran with little fanfare. Hardest part was making the sure that the firing order was correct to make sure that the PCM fired the right injector at the right time. The computer throws no fits about not having the other cylinders, just shut off all the codes associated with the non used cylinders. THe car starts and runs like stock, and to the unknowing person, you would never know anything has been done to the car computer wise, except when the boost builds to 15 PSI or so, then the thing absolutely flys!!! My old man and I have actually tried to blow up the motor, driving like idiots, etc and it just keeps ticking!!! I would do the swap again in a heartbeat for anyone wanting to boost their little 4 cylinder engine. I have a friend now with a pretty high strung 2.2 dodge 4 cylinder that I trying to talk into using the 0411 PCM, he is just too cheap to buy EFILive to tune the thing..... maybe I should ket him drive the Sprint for a week... that'll tech him!!!!
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    Thanks for the reply.So For my 1998 s10 with the 2.2 the firing events should match what is in a V8 cal in the 0411 ecm? Also I think it uses a waste spark system so im not sure how this will work with the v8 cal.Hard part would be moving the crank sensor to the front of engine and installing a reluctor up on front pulley. Ive got to do some research on this but it may work. This would be really huge if it did. As alot of the internet experts have always said never, simply because chevy didnt offer a 4cyl with the 0411 ecm.
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    I ended up using coil on plug with our swap, just used a cal for an '02 Camaro with an LS1. Had numerous people say it won't work, my response.... That's funny, it's been working for the last 8,000 miles with no problems whatsoever!!! We put our reluctor on the end of the crank pulley, just made an adapter to get the reluctor past the end on the crank pulley. You will have to fab up some sort of cam sensor, I would take the oil pump drive plug out and modify it to run a crank sensor on your 2.2!!! Good luck!!!
    Mike
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    Mike,

    Happen to remember a part # for the reluctor wheel or which year of C60 to quote to the parts counter guy? I have always thought about making this work, but never knew of an easy way to get a 24X speed wheel setup.

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    Mike, the 2.2 in my 98 s10 already has a cam sensor, so I might be ok with that? The crank sensor and reluctor wheel are at the very rear of the block. So an extension harness to the front of the engine is needed. This is a sequential efi with a waste spark system. But the coil on plug system would replace my coils. The 2.2 engine I believe is a 7x crank and a 1x cam. I think mechanically this swap might be straight forward, its just the unknowns about the 0411 working with this kind of setup. But you give us hope it should work with all your success with it. thanks keith. P.S. Sorry nevinsb for hijacking your thread.
    1997 S10, 06 trailblazer SS LS2 swap, 4L70E trans, 76mm turbo. Factory ZQ8 suspension. 3.08, G80 w/a zexel. With a 0411 swap.

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    Im willing to bet your 2.2 is a 7x/1x setup, thats what my 4.2L I6 P10 runs and the PCM code is pretty dang similar to the 98-02 4cyl PCMs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo_bu View Post
    Mike,

    Happen to remember a part # for the reluctor wheel or which year of C60 to quote to the parts counter guy? I have always thought about making this work, but never knew of an easy way to get a 24X speed wheel setup.
    Efi connection has a 24x wheel in a smaller diameter version. I think it is designed so that it can be installed under the timing cover on vortec L31 engines and earlier small blocks, replacing the 4x wheel. I wonder if this wheel will fit under the Ln2 timing cover. I cant remember what mine looks like under there. Also the Ln2 crankshaft snub would have to the same size as the L31 for it to work, which is probably doubtful.
    1997 S10, 06 trailblazer SS LS2 swap, 4L70E trans, 76mm turbo. Factory ZQ8 suspension. 3.08, G80 w/a zexel. With a 0411 swap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwoch1 View Post
    I ended up using coil on plug with our swap, just used a cal for an '02 Camaro with an LS1. Had numerous people say it won't work, my response.... That's funny, it's been working for the last 8,000 miles with no problems whatsoever!!! We put our reluctor on the end of the crank pulley, just made an adapter to get the reluctor past the end on the crank pulley. You will have to fab up some sort of cam sensor, I would take the oil pump drive plug out and modify it to run a crank sensor on your 2.2!!! Good luck!!!
    Mike
    schwoch1 I know this is "old" but can you tell me where 0 TDC on #1 cylinder is on the reluctor?

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