[QUOTE=swingtan;133043]RE: Idle timing upper hard limits. It's what ever your "normal" timing table has in those cells.

IE, If the Hi/Low blend for {B5101} and {B5102} is 28', then the maximum idle timing will be 28'. If the blend is 26' then the max idle timing will be 26'. Raise the values in {B5010} and you raise the upper idle timing limit. It took me a while to work that one out......

Oh FFS you are joking !!!! really....I tried this and you are correct, timing trim now goes up to 32 if "32" is entered in this table in idle zones. I had 28 in there hence my "hard" limit. This helped cold starts, thx.
Next question is, if the high/low tables set the upper hard limit at idle what does the ECU do/need with the BASE IDLE timing table? Is this just for initial desired timing?
Mike